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----- Original Message -----
From: TOM P.
To: undisclosed-recipients
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:17 AM
Subject: A note from a trip to
Egypt and Israel
Dear Friends,
We are home. Our trip was physically very hard. I am glad I went, but would not go back to Egypt It is a dirty, ungodly country. The smog in Cairo , Egypt was terrible. There are 17 million people in that city and they just throw their trash in the streets. The Nile River is polluted. I don't know how such a people who built the pyramids regressed like they have. If the Arabs take over America , we will be a slum. And the noise pollution was terrible. They chant their Muslim prayers all day. Our tour guide was a Christian, and he was a fine young man, but the ungodliness of the population is everywhere. It was a real example of the difference of 'light' vs 'darkness.' Jesus is truly the Light.
Israel was clean and wonderful. We could eat the food and drink the water. They were kind and loved us. They may not believe in Jesus but you can tell that God is in that land. It snowed in Jerusalem while we were there and it was cold, but we still toured. The Sea of Galilee was stormy and we went out on a boat a short distance, but came back to shore. The Bible is absolutely true about the fact that you cannot be out on the Sea of Galilee in a boat without the danger of dying. We were amazed at the big waves and wind on that sea or lake.
The weather cleared in Israel at the end of the week and we went to the Temple Mount on a beautiful morning. It was a time with the Lord. We stood at the Golden Gate20where Jesus will return. It is sealed because the Muslims are concerned He will return! They even have one of their graveyards outside the gate thinking no King will come through a graveyard. But Jesus is coming! It shows the Muslims are concerned and may believe there is a possibility He will come. I stood and looked at that Gate, and was very moved to think I was standing at the very place where Jesus will enter Jerusalem again.
We went to Bethlehem . We had to let our Jewish guide out of the bus; and our Arab bus driver drove us through the security gate. That high wall that you have been hearing about on TV is there, dividing Palestine and Israel . We then got a Christian guide when we got into Bethlehem I was there twice before, once in l980 and again in l999 and there is a stark difference in Bethlehem since the Arabs have taken it over. There were hardly any tourists.
We ate in a cafe on the square where I ate before which was packed with tourists, but today it was vacant except for us. They have killed their tourist trade. The Christians in Bethlehem asked us to pray for them, because they have no income now. The Arab men on the manger square glared at us. We did not feel safe and clung together. There were begger boys everywhere. They hate Americans and Israel.
There is so much I could say about this trip. It has changed my life in some ways. I look at the 'lostness' of the Arabs and the darkness. I look at Israel ; that tiny country amidst such turmoil. If America does not continue to support Israel , I believe God will judge us severely as Americans. The Israeli soldiers were such fine young men and women. They are clean and disciplined and have great love for their land which is something that is missing in America among some of our youth. I rode back to Lubbock from Dallas on the plane with an American Air Force career soldier. He said the Israeli pilots were the best in the world. They can fly planes like no one else!
Lastly, we were asked everywhere about the Presidential race in America . There was great interest. The Jews came up to us and asked us many questions.
They warned us that Obama is a Muslim, not a Christian. In Egypt , the Arabs said the same thing to us; they said Obama is Muslim and they are amazed that Americans would consider electing a Muslim President of America ! Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.
I came home loving America even more! Our country is a 'light on a hill.' Our streets are clean. There are no chants all day. People are kind and take their turn. People over there pushed into line and were rude. They have never heard of the Golden Rule. They will stomp all over you if they want to get in line. I can see now why Jesus' words of loving your neighbor and doing unto others, what you would have them do unto you, were strange words to the lost. We take our Christian heritage for granted here in my opinion. We have sanctity of human life. In Egypt , the Arabs don't have any hope so I can see why they would bomb people and commit suicide. They smoked cigarettes everywhere! I could not breathe in Egypt and I think that is why I came down with the flu gain. The smog was so bad at the pyramids, I could tell I was getting sick. I would gag on the fumes.
We need to pray for America and this election every day. [ - Tom P.]
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom G.
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Fw: A note from a trip to Egypt and Israel
This is from Tom P[witheld], a friend I worked with many years ago. He's retired and I think living in Los Cabos. It seems every winter I have great intentions of seeing him but so far it hasn't happened. Maybe this year. It's nice to read some first hand observations.
Tom G.
----- Original Message ----
From: Joann J.
To: Rob F.
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:52:47 PM
Subject: Fw: A note from a trip to Egypt and Israel
Tom G[withheld] is my Michaels cousin and Tom P[withheld] is a friend of the family and I think everyone should read about his trip.
Joann
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert F.
To: Joann J.
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: A note from a trip to Egypt and Israel
Just so you know, Joann. I will not be reading any more of your forwarded emails. They will be immediately marked as trash and discarded.
Rob F.
----- Original Message ----
From: Joann J.
To: Robert F.
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:09:47 PM
Subject: Re: A note from a trip to Egypt and Israel
What the heck is the matter with you? Your going to raise my grand daughter and I hope her eyes will be open to everything. Remember when you told us about the trip to Cuba? Remember the rotting meat. The countries people saved up the meat just for you so as to pretend they were doing great as a country? While there own suffered. I don't see what is wrong with this letter, it is one mans perspective of life in another country especially Israel. He was comparing two trips. Michael knows him personally he was even at his Moms house in Lake city. I know when I was in Italy how I felt. How it was seeing men standing on corners with machine guns. How they took me away from Bill, Grandpa and ma for four hours without telling them what they were doing with me. Remember I had a toy sword wrapped up to take back to America not to hold up the plane. I remember seeing people selling sheets of toilet paper for a quarter, with holes in the floor of fancy restaurants to go to the bathroom in...how I knew then how lucky I was and God Blessed to be an American.
I am sorry you feel I sent you trash I thought I was sending you something God sent, I am disappointed in your new found tunnel vision..why are you so defensive about Muslims? When they join your church do they remain Muslims and not become Christians for the sake of diversity? I just don't understand why you are so afraid to see viewpoints on things that you haven't seen that are different than what you imagine to be the case. Have you been to Israel recently and I don't know about it?
LOVE Joann
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert F.
To: Joann J.
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: A note from a trip to Egypt and Israel
Dear Joann,
My eyes are wide open and my vision is not "newfound" nor is it "tunnel vision." The change that you're referring to is probably due to the fact that I've begun to open my mouth as wide as my eyes. For many years (over a decade now) I have listened to you expound your worldview, and although I didn't agree with many, many things you've said and/or done, I've just kept quiet. Perhaps you mistook my silence as approval, but it was far from that. My silence and my smiles and nods were employed to avoid confrontation and to keep things amicable. I respected your right to communicate what you thought was right, just, and important but I also had enough self-assurance in my own beliefs to know that I didn't need to argue with you to make them seem any more right to me.
What has been bothering me lately and that which has prompted me to speak out is due to the fact that the respect that I have given you is not being returned. I've asked you not to send me emails that compare only the negative aspects of certain cultures to only the positive (and often romanticized) aspects of American culture. Yet these emails continue coming and I keep needing to remind you that you are crossing a boundary that I've asked you time and again to respect. The responses that I've sent back to you are not sent because I have an unwillingness or a fear to see certain viewpoints. I in fact see and hear the viewpoints all too well. Rather, my responses are a matter of being staunchly opposed to what seems to be a consistent denigration of certain people groups (mainly Mexican and Arab).
"Why am I so defensive about Muslims?" you ask. I defend Muslims when they are being falsely accused or misrepresented because they deserve to be seen as humans, individuals with variant beliefs about their religion, and possessing infinite worth for which God was willing to sacrifice his only Son! Remember the email you felt was appropriate to forward to me and others that included a bunch of photos of Arab protesters with signs reading "Death to America" and other such nonsense? The funny thing about those photos was that the font on all of the protest signs was the same. It was so very evident that the photos had been doctored to make the protesters appear to be what they were not. This is wrong. Falsely representing someone and/or presenting only the negative aspects of a certain culture and making sweeping generalizations that lumps everyone who claims an affiliation to one thing or another as being a certain way is entirely wrong. It is propaganda, often leans towards war-mongering, borders on hate speech, and is very reminiscent of tactics used by the Nazis against the Jews and the early Americans against the African slaves and the indigenous native peoples. I will not tolerate it, and I will not raise my daughter around it.
I am not sure why suddenly my church is being brought into this topic. It seems as if there is a suggestion being made that my church is blinding me to some truth; however the opposite is true. I began attending The Compass because the people with whom I worship are real, God-fearing Christians, and they share the views about Christianity that I hold. Anyway, Muslims don't join my church, Joann. Christians join my church. However, our goal as a church is to love Muslims as much as we love Christians. We believe that the love we share with others will be what convinces them of the error of their ways and their need for Jesus Christ. When they accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior they can then join our church because they are Christians.
The diversity that my church seeks is not a diversity of faiths; we do not extend membership to people who profess another faith - that would be contrary to the purpose of a church founded on Biblical principles, which happen to be very exclusionary. The diversity we seek is instead a diversity of ethnicities, experiences, ages, cultures, socio-economic strata. etc. We do not want to be a church that consists of all white Christians, or all black Christians, or all Hispanic Christians, or all Hmong Christians, etc. We want to break down the walls of division that have been built so high in America. We want to care not only for those people who are similar to us, but those who seem different to us, and we want to worship our Lord as we will some day in Heaven, surrounded by people from every nation, tribe and tongue.
Joann, you make a lot of assumptions about why I react to the types of emails like the one below and most of your accusations are incorrect and insulting. All I ask is that you respect my wish to not receive emails that deride other cultures. I would hope you would also understand that I am not open to hearing in person these types of derogatory commentaries about people who you don't like.
Thanks,
Rob
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mike H.
To: Joann J.
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: A note from a trip to Egypt and Israel
Joann - My dad used to say jokingly, "My mind is made up don't confuse me with the facts!" Well, it seems like that might be a good line for Robert to remember, but not as a joke.
In the text of the rest my email below I have italicized and "highlighted" inside quotation marks words and phrases that I have quoted from Robert's email to you appearing above. I am also saving a copy of this email to disc so to permanently save it for posterity. Who knows, it might come in handy someday if you or I should ever be questioned about "how we saw things way back in the first decade of this century." I know that you didn't write what appears below, but I don't think I've said anything with which you'd disagree based on all of our discussions regarding the topics I addressed therein. I know that you and I change our minds, make new decisions, and alter our beliefs based upon new information. Even if nobody ever asks us, it might be interesting for just ourselves in 15 to 20 years to see where our thinking has changed!
Joann, please also note that at the bottom of this email appearing below the line of asterisks is an excerpt regarding potential problems with political Islam from an email that I had sent to Robert back on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:30 PM. To my knowledge, I never received anything back from him regarding that email. It's my hunch or at least I'd like to think, that Robert still has the mistaken belief that Islam is a religion much like Christianity; and moreover, like many of us, until recently anyway, even though it was staring us in our collective faces, he never saw it as having political doctrine, much less such doctrine that is inseparable from the aspect of spiritual belief.
It's not the nature of the evidence;
it's the seriousness of the charge. - Liberal Playbook
It also seems that Robert must have somewhere along the line picked up a copy of that well-worn liberal political playbook that we hear about. One of the lessons in it I heard reads something like this: "It’s not the nature of the evidence (real, fake or none whatsoever) that is relevant. It’s the seriousness of the charge." What has been noticeably absent in his previous email as well as this latest email to you regarding your forwarded emails [appearing above] is any supportive evidence [links, quotes, undisputed facts, etc.] that tends to either 1) validate any of his accusations or opinions; or 2) discredit any of the claims, opinions or observations made by the authors of those forwarded emails, aside from his explanation to questions you raised involving his church.
But let me get back to that lesson in the liberal playbook. You can see liberals in the public spotlight rely on that lesson most often when they want to avert attention from themselves whenever confronted publicly about their intentions and beliefs and/or when they know that they lack substance in a claim or charge they're currently making. Among other things they'll frequently act offended and erupt with damning allegations, regardless of their validity, in any direction that at the time is most likely to receive the most news coverage. Over the years some of the more effective and well-tested damning allegations that prominent liberals and Democrats have now again recently reemployed with vengeance are charges of denigration, hate-speech, war-mongering, cold-blooded killing, torture, book-burning, and oh gosh, I'd better not forget racism, to at least name a few. [I wonder if Robert thinks that someone can actually be conservative without being a racist? It seems lately that he might be thinking he sees them under every rock, behind every bush or even maybe on every Hannity and Colmes show if Hannity isn't on vacation.
If Barrack Hussein Obama becomes the next USA president*, we'd better look out. I heard that he's of about 46% Arab and 6% African American decent. If this is true it might become impossible for anyone to criticize what they perceive as any " negative aspect" of what he does or says as president if there's just the slightest remote hint that it could somehow be construed as having anything to do with Arab, African American, Muslim people or their cultures, without the one who offered the criticism being called a racist! Apparently, whether taking advice from the forementioned playbook or not, Robert thinks that his masterful rhetoric (at which we both agree he's great) along with the promotion of uncorroborated accusations is all that is necessary to turn truth, opinion, or even the simple, earnest recounting of personal observation with which he doesn't like or disagrees, into vicious denigration, hate-speech, war-mongering, or racism. (* Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al. Currently, there is a suit in federal court filed by a Democrat Party leader who is a former Attorney General of the State of Pennsylvania that challenges the assertion that Barack Obama was born in the USA. Being born in the USA is one of the prerequisites necessary to take office as President. To date, Obama has yet to produce a valid birth certificate.)]
The latest onslaught of unsubstantiated claims, charges or other defamatory and libelous attacks absent supportive evidence by liberals and the mainstream media against Sarah Palin and her family is a great example of when liberals want to avert attention from their intentions and beliefs and including those on their presidential ticket. It does however nonetheless display their true character. I hope that Robert remembers this the next time he considers employing a tactic utilized by liberals that is fast becoming the focus of public scorn and ridicule.
All forwarded emails endorsed by you?
It's too bad it now seems that Robert has frequently mistaken numerous emails that you had forwarded to him over the years as accurate manifestations of your personal beliefs, opinions and views. What he had apparently failed to realize is that the mere fact that you forwarded a given email that had been forwarded to you did not mean that you endorsed all of its contents. Of course this could be confusing because sometimes you did tacitly endorse all their contents. Other times it may have been just one main point and didn't have much of an opinion one way or another with the rest of its contents. But whether you did or didn't, more often than not you would not preface a forwarded email with any remark whatsoever. They were what they were, that's it. I know of course that you'd catch obvious discrepancies and not forward those on. Some of the emails however were much more subtle. They may have had a message within their stated message. Whoever created some of these emails were very talented. Even though at first glance appearing to be nothing more than clever but questionable propaganda advocating a certain point of view, upon deeper analysis some of these emails could surprisingly be proven true and fairly accurate. That's what made them interesting. I know at times you would forward them to just me before sending them to anyone else because you wanted me to check them out first. Sometimes I did and sometimes I didn't for one reason or another. Time would pass and then you may have eventually sent them out anyway. In that many of us including yourself have come to realize that truth is often stranger than fiction, you didn't want to "break the chain" and be the one who would censor the message. Instead you would just forward them on letting others decide ultimately for themselves whether the emails were fact, fiction or both.
Most not favorable towards ...
Oh sure, most of the forwarded emails were probably not favorable towards Democrats or an occasional Republican; and of course, certainly not favorable towards liberalism, socialism, Marxism, environmentalism, communism, Islamism [political system], terrorism, fascism, Islamo-naziism, anarchism, racism, atheism, feminism, or Obamaism, but so what? When someone with whom you've had a personal relationship for well over a decade has now self-admittedly made special effort during this previous decade through their "silence" camouflaged by "smiles and nods" to inform you of little or nothing of their beliefs, opinions, views and positions on any such things, for all you know they haven't formed any yet and would require more information before doing so. It seems that even secrets can produce non-secret consequences.
Limitations fixed upon federal government
Once after a game 4 or 5 years ago of "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" when Sam either won or came closer to winning than did Robert, he said basically that his childhood schooling in Canada didn't cover US history all that well and offered this as a reason for coming in with the lower score with respect to that particular game. Although he didn't expressly say it or make any specific reference, I would nonetheless think it reasonable to assume that his Canadian education back then was much like what the current education in the US public school system has now become - at least with respect to American history. Whether back then in Canada or currently here in the US what was and is for the most part ignored are the precepts of the Declaration of Independence [adopted in 1776], US Constitution [ratified in 1789], its Bill of Rights [ratified in 1791] and particularly, the limitations those founding documents [of 1789 and 1791] fixed upon the federal government of the several united States. Moreover, I think it's probable that neither of the foredescribed educations presented the idea, much less went into any depth, that, aside from the role played by the ancestral influence of the Magna Carta, all the forenamed founding documents sprung from the Old and New Testament and all together are the very root of American political conservatism. I think that in the back of your mind you may have been thinking that at least some of your forwarded emails had enough educational value and American perspective to help fill in the self-admitted void left in the Canadian version of US history that Robert received while growing up.
A few years ago Robert intimated [but maybe we took it the wrong way unless his slant as leaned the other way since then] that his then current views had a conservative slant in that he told us his adoptive parents in Canada were conservatives [or that he was raised by conservatives, but I can't remember exactly how he put it; but to me anyway, I would have taken either to mean the same thing]. In addition to that he had said that one [or more] college[s] he attended was [were] also conservative. As far as I know, Robert has maintained his dual citizenship and can work and live in either country, and for over the last decade, at least, he's chosen the USA to work, live, and now raise his family. [I think Robert is aware that the Canadian government, acting apparently within its lawful power has, or until recently had, the practice of filtering or downright censoring some forms of conservative thought, or at least talk, anyway. It had done this when it barred conservative radio talk-show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger from broadcasting her show from any Canadian radio station. I think it was maybe about a year ago I that the Canadian government had finally lifted the ban on her show.]
Informal education in American politics ongoing?
All in all I think it was reasonable for us to have taken all the aforementioned to mean that he didn't think that he knew everything that was worth knowing forevermore from the point in time he had begun residing in the US. To put this simply, we thought that he wanted among other things that his informal education in American politics ongoing. This would also include remaining open to hearing and reading the newest thing that came along that would tend to either validate or discredit whatever he considered were differences between American conservatism and liberalism or Republicans and Democrats; and particularly with respect to those philosophies and parties, whether whatever any of them might be advocating in a given instance comported with this country's founding documents and their Judeo-Christian roots.
To this day Robert may have not yet fully realized that none of the fore-identified are static. Three of the four have been changing dramatically over the years. Conservatism, however, based on what I am aware, has changed little if any at all depending how one looks at it.
Personally, I like preferably to think of my conservative view as being neither left nor right but rather squarely down the center of the Declaration of Independence, adopted in 1776, and the US Constitution, ratified in 1789, with its Bill of Rights, ratified in 1791. I think that other true conservatives see much the same way as I. To many others, my view might be taken as "right wing" or even "far right." My position has not changed essentially, except to say that my appreciation is growing deeper for the basic principles and rights endowed by our Creator that were to be secured in those documents. It's kinda funny how an unwavering position is supposedly seen by some as somehow moving supposedly more and more to the "extreme right" as each year passes. Oh of course, most liberals in positions of influence know better. They know that true conservative positions haven't budged. However, they seem pretty darn good at keeping that secret to themselves. They would have as many as possible believing quite the opposite.
Mastery of delusion
The liberals of whom I speak, that is to say, liberal puppet masters, pied pipers and the like, seem to have a mastery of words, phrases, and delivery that can convince the unsuspecting that white is black, wet is dry, near is far, and up is down; and even more than that, they've also been somehow able to perpetuate this mastery of delusion upon generation after generation of the unsuspecting. They are in the political world very similar to what the creators of rides of illusion are in Disney World and Universal Studios. They know that in order to sustain this magical ambiance that they best not ever let any of the political ride-goers "see behind the curtain."
True, solid conservatism and the liberty and freedom it represents must be kept under wraps otherwise its overwhelming appeal would be far too great to overcome by those who want to control every aspect our daily lives. The liberal puppet masters want this ideal to be seen as something on the move towards extreme positions far outside of normal, mainstream thinking. They and the spin from the pundits who support them are continually in one way or another promoting this pretended movement to the "extreme right" to their constituents, supporters, followers or "lemmings" [which in some cases might be more apropos than any other term]. In any case, these are people who've had a long history of believing anything they're told regardless of whether or not it defies what they've seen with their own eyes, heard with their own ears, or felt in their own pocketbooks. They want to "believe" irrespective of reality. The Democrat Party also seems to attract more than a fair share of agnostics, atheists, irreligious secular socialists or those for some reason or another put themselves at the center of their respective universe. When people don't believe in God or the texts that made Him known [Old Testiment], they can believe in anything and everything.
Luckily, many of us have not been fooled. To us what has been happening has been as obvious as watching a ship leave port that looks smaller and smaller as it sails off over the horizon. We watch and listen liberals take positions that are incrementally further and further away from the principles put in words by Americans adopted back in 1776 and then put forth into law way back in 1789 and 1791. No matter how long we stare at those documents, we've detected no movement. Unlike what many progressives, liberals, Democrats, Obama followers, welfare rights advocates, alien rights advocates, gay rights advocates, etc. would preferrably have us believe, the inanimate words in those documents have not somehow become ambulatory where they started marching or sailing off to some extreme far "right" vantage point on a distant horizon.
Aside from the topic women's suffrage*, anyone would be hard-pressed to quote any phrase in the Constitution, its Bill of Rights, or any of the subsequent 17 Constitutional Amendments ratified [reasonable challenges have been made that the 16th Amendment was never lawfully ratified (source)] during the years from 1795 to 1992 that would single out or discriminate one group of American citizens where they would be denied or accorded any special "right" that would distinguish them from the whole population of citizenry of all the several States. This is to say there is no real person or special group of people under the jurisdiction of our federal government that has any special right not afforded or unavailable to others under this jurisdiction. However, this is not to say that politicians who pander to special interest groups don't pretend that there is Constitutional authority by which certain groups can be afforded by the federal government any special rights and privileges distinctly different from the general population. [* There is a movement underway to have our government make its officials pretend that they cannot distinguish difference between genders, but that's a whole other discussion.]
Objects of one's beliefs not always static
Yes, sure, there are some things in each of the parties and philosophies that seem to have remained pretty constant although many others have changed dramatically over the years. Ronald Reagan used to be a Democrat. He said he didn't leave the Democrat party but rather that the party left him. Others who've said something similar are former Democrat senators Zel Miller and Joe Lieberman. Take for example your dad who voted for Democrat John F. Kennedy for president. If President Kennedy were alive today and he held the same foreign and domestic positions now as he did during the 1960s, he would be easily taken as a Republican, and perhaps, even a conservative for that matter. This is over-simplification but it illustrates the point: Your dad figures that Democrats were great then so they must be great now so he votes for them and sends them money. [Your dad, of course, gets virtually all of his local, national, and foreign news from the liberal mainstream media (when polled, I think the figure was about 70-85% of those in the mainstream media said they vote normally for Democrats or a liberal ticket).] For the most part it seems that your dad is unaware of the shift over the past 45 years of the Democrat party going further and further left. This would be a good example of where a "belief" has remained true, but that which was the focus of the belief morphed into something very different. Of course the Republicans keep shifting over to the "left", too, filling in the gap or virtual void left by Democrats. So now 45 years later most of today's Republicans [except those who are often termed as "hard-core conservatives] are now the Democrats of yesteryear. What this tells us essentially is that if one wants to hold belief in something that is dynamic and ever-changing, then one's beliefs in that particular something must be equally dynamic and ever-changing.
"Trust, but verify"
However, it doesn't hurt for each of us to remind ourselves that even so-called reliable sources cannot be trusted with confidence - whether the source is a family member or even such source as a former, long-time CBS TV News Anchor Walter Cronkite*. This would also hold true on a local level as well, such as by supposedly reliable WCCO TV news anchors, such as Don Shelby**. [*As you might recall, Cronkite who now finally admits to liberal bias, at least to the extent that he said, “most of us reporters are liberal,” among other things, is noted for saying in so many words at the end of a news report that victory was unachievable for the US troops in Viet Nam(video source, video source). He said this at the very time our troops and those of South Vietnam had just pounded and beaten severely the Viet Cong during its Tet offensive. The South Vietnamese troops, who did the most of the fighting, suffered about 6,000 casualties compared to the 50,000 of the 70,000 Viet Cong who waged these multiple attacks that were killed with many more that were wounded. Tet was an unmitigated military disaster for Hanoi and its Viet Cong troops (source). Viet Cong units did not reach a single one of their nearly 100 or so strategic objectives (except to arrive by taxi at the U.S. Embassy with guns blazing before being wiped out by US Marines, if you want to count that as reaching a strategic objective). However, this information never really found its way to the American public in some meaningful time frame.
American reporters (most of whom were probably liberal according to Cronkite), who were supposedly covering the action from rooftops miles away, depicted to the American public that the Viet Cong offensive was a military disaster for the US. Public opinion perceptions changed accordingly. “Until Tet, a majority of Americans agreed with Presidents Kennedy and Johnson that failure was not an option.” - Arnaud de Borchgrave (Editor at large for The Washington Times and United Press International. He covered Tet as Newsweek's chief foreign correspondent and had seven tours in Vietnam between 1951 under the French and 1972, during the U.S. involvement.)
Liberals snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of the North Vietnamese army, received South Vietnam's unconditional surrender on April 30, 1975. In an interview in The Wall Street Journal, August 3, 1995, conducted by Stephen Young (who my brother Guy knows personally, which then led to me being introduced to him where at great length we discussed my dad’s legal matters), a former Asst. Dean at Harvard Law School, Dean of Hamline Univ. School of Law, and human-rights activist, Bui Tin made it clear the anti-war movement in the United States, which led to the collapse of political will in Washington, was "essential to our strategy." America lost the war, he concluded, "because of its democracy. Through dissent and protest, it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." Democrat President Johnson realizing the powerful sway that Cronkite had over the years with the American public, along with reporters’ continual misrepresentation of success as failure, the growing anti-war movement, and along with other considerations, declared the war to be unwinnable. From that point forward, this diametrical change of the consensus of public opinion that was incessantly nurtured by defeatism promoted by the liberal, mainstream media, where failure had become a reasonable option in bringing the war to conclusion, remained on the table even through the Nixon administration. This included the time when there was yet another major military disaster for the communists, Hanoi's Easter offensive in March 1972. During that offensive, 70,000 North Vietnamese troops were wiped out by again primarily the South Vietnamese who did most of the fighting. Leave it to liberals to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
In the first year or two that followed the hasty retreat of US forces from Vietnam and our reneging of our promise to South Vietnam, both resulting from the liberal Democrat majority of Congress, it's estimated that between 2 and 4 million were murdered in the “killing fields” of Southeast Asia. These were far more fatalities than all those of all sides involved during the entire 3-decade length of the Vietnam War. (By the way, bullets were too precious to use for executions in these “killing fields.” Axes, knives and bamboo sticks were far more common. As for children, their murderers simply battered them against trees [source].) Of course these horrific consequences are never mentioned when liberals tell us how proud they were to have forced military retreat and stopped all US involvement in Souteast Asia and now promote the same hasty retreat from Iraq.
Shelby has reported to us numerous times in so many words that the "debate is over" concerning what some have claimed is mankind-caused global warming/climate change. Even though 5 of the 10 warmest of 127 years of recorded history were before WW2 (source) and 1934 (not 1998) was the warmest year on record (NASA), he says basically that mankind, particularly America, is now contributing greatly to this billions-of-year old pattern of undisputed variation and change. Of course he just continually happens to leave out in his reports that recent NASA satellite data and other sources tell us that 1998 was the warmest year in the last 10, and that despite appreciable increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the globe has been cooling since then and is down to its 30-year average temperature with this trend being expected to last at least another 10 years (source); and oh yeah, he also forgot to mention in his reports that this past July well over 31,000 scientists (9,000 of whom are Ph.Ds) signed a petition that, among other things, stated essentially that "there is no convincing scientific evidence" that mankind "is causing or will, in the foreseeable future ... disruption of the Earth's climate." (source) (But I'm sure it's for our own good!) Basically, what Shelby advocates is that if Minnesotans and the rest of Americans were to greatly reduce their standard of living and pay much, much more in taxes and quadrupling energy related costs, we all might help slow down arrival at a time (otherwise perhaps a hundred years from now) when once again crops can be grown in Greenland and their dead buried next to others who had been interred 1500 years ago when the climate was much warmer than it is now and the ground was not permafrost. Of course, any chance at all at achieving this is contingent upon whether China and India want to stop their growth and jump on our backwards-headed bandwagon. If they don’t, well, at least we can “feel good” about our regression in our hearts while our bodies shiver in homes heated no higher than 55 degrees.]
With respect to all that which is said by others and including the likes of Cronkite and Shelby: "Trust, but verify." In case you don’t recall, this is the signature phrase of a conservative Republican and former President Ronald Reagan. It is obviously very applicable in many aspects of our personal lives and not just with our presidential foreign policy.
Get to "know" you?
Unless I am mistaken, forgetting major parts, or adding things that were never there, or you were mistaken, left out major parts, or added things that were never there when you shared this with me well over a decade ago, at least until now, I thought that Robert had persevered through typical and what I guess might have been considerable privacy obstacles in the adoption systems of Canada and the USA to find you. Upon this success, he then had ultimately moved to the Twin Cities so, among other things, he could finally get to know his biological mother [you] and his father [who at some point he discovered was deceased] - the operative term here being "know." Moreover, I also thought [mistakenly?] that he did this, or at least initiated it, because likewise, he really wanted both of you to get to "know" him as well. I really never would have thought that after going through and accomplishing all the forementioned that the motivation which drove him was an intention of getting to "know" someone with no greater depth than learning of their aches and pains, if they liked long walks on the beach, if they liked to gaze at beautiful sunsets, and/or if they liked to listen to corn grow, etc. [Your and my idea of getting to know someone could be far different than that of Robert's; but eh, neither of us are Canadians!] Seriously, reconsidering what may have been his intentions, they may have simply been that he wanted to learn primarily of your physical condition and appearance and of his biological father's. Wistfully, in the back of his mind, it may have also been that he was hoping tacitly to seek out validation from you of what he perceived as inherent liberal qualities about himself that endured regardless of being long-term in an environment where he was raised by parents whom he considered conservative as well as educated in one or more colleges that he had also understood to be conservative.
Even though it's my guess that essentially none of us want to believe or much less admit, even in hindsight, that when we were young and took opposing positions to those of our parents we did so because most likely it was for no other reason than simply to be rebellious. At any rate, it's my guess that this was probably more often the case than not. Who knows, maybe what might be seen as this rebellious nature of progeny towards their progenitors is a Divine mechanism installed in our psyche meant to inherently keep mankind from straying too far off course and on an even keel so that it won't "drift off the deep end" one way or another.
"Scariest words you can ever hear"
It may be unbeknownst to him that it is commonly understood by many of us that we all are born with these liberal qualities when our first "thinking" was emotionally-based and seen as irrational; and, that it is only after we had begun to mature that we started becoming analytical and more rational. This critical thinking is of course necessary in order to read and understand such things as enumerated powers, unalienable rights, prescribed duty, and that nowhere in this artificial creation that we call the US Constitution is it stated that government is empowered with responsibility to "help" anyone, whether as an individual or groups of size less than the greater number of all Americans, to name a few. [Conservatives aren't born that way otherwise liberals in health care would be probably documenting it as a "birth defect!" (*smile* just kidding again.)] This might be one of the reasons why Republican President Reagan once said, "The scariest words you can ever hear are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help you.'"
It's apparent that Robert does not want any of his "beliefs" examined, challenged, scrutinized or debated in any way, or at least, not by or with you; or, in any case, with someone such as yourself who he knows that at least in some areas would have viewpoints that were diametrically different than his own. Also apparently, based upon his latest email, it seems that, aside from however he may confide in Amanda, he wants perhaps to be the only one who would examine, challenge or scrutinize his own beliefs - so, regardless of what side of an issue prevailed in such self-imposed scrutiny, maybe he figures that way he'll never lose an argument! [*smile* - just kidding some more] It does seem however that to him seeking agreement is far more important than seeking clarity.
Ironically, seeking clarity will often lead to more agreement than he may have thought possible. It might be a good bet that he thinks that your beliefs, opinions, and views are all rigid and static, perhaps, much like his own. Consequently, it'd be a waste of his time and pointless to go through the trouble of offering you any facts, evidence, or actual substance that would normally alter the direction of thinking of someone he thought would be more reasonable. Moreover, if he did nonetheless make such attempt of presenting actual evidence [and not just expressing personal feelings] that could reasonably lead someone to a different conclusion, it seems he's of the opinion that doing such with you would likely be received as an irritant leading to less than "amicable" relation. Hopefully, the term "amicable" was nothing more than a poor choice of words on his part. I know that you all the time you've ever talked about your son Robert, whether just about him or including this more present day that includes his wife Amanda or currently with the expansion of his family that now also includes their infant and your granddaughter Olivia, with respect to no time frame of all the time Robert has reintroduced himself into your life have you ever come across to me as someone who thought she had nothing more than a friendly, peaceable, and cordial relationship; that is to say, a relationship not denoting great warmth of affection.
Once upon a time
If I remember right, I think there was a neurotic emperor once upon a time who had regally paraded naked through his city streets who valued agreement of others with his personal perception over and above common sense. This particular emperor proceeded under the illusion that anyone who didn't agree with his pretentious belief that he was wearing extraordinarily magnificent new clothes was either stupid or incompetent. Despite second doubts, it was his hope that all the parade watchers would know beforehand that they'd be classified as such by the emperor himself so they then would not vocalize publicly any form of argument which supported their different point of view. By the end of the parade, the emperor realized that all the onlookers saw him as naked wearing not a stitch of clothing but could not get himself to admit to it. He kept on to the very end fooling only himself.
Faith, beliefs, opinions and views
In fairness, many of us and including myself do not always welcome hearing opposition to the beliefs we hold, whether publicly or privately. Speaking for myself, at times I know that I simply believe them to be true and move on and don't want to take the time to repetitively reevaluate them except at such times our personal conversations demand it or if my son Sam is making the inquiry or challenge. However, let's not confuse faith, beliefs, opinions and views as all being one in the same. Each is different. We often interchange these words in our speaking or writing. The intensity, veracity, or levels of confidence in their meanings that we want to infer are relative to the topic that is being addressed or the context in which they are being used.
"Faith" is at the top of the list. It is belief without doubt as in our Christian faith. It rests neither on logical proof nor material evidence. In its purist sense it is spiritual understanding that God is the only true source of all things seen and unseen and factored not by probability or possibility.
"Beliefs" are not inherently without doubt. Nonetheless they are deep-seated and are generally held regardless of whether we suspicion that they can be proven true or false. Some of our human beliefs can arise involuntarily out of our experience such as spontaneously out of habit - not too different than those of animals [such as a dog that believes there will be food in its dish every day]. We believe things to be true because they have always been our experience although our beliefs in those things can begin to respectively wane or even eventually disappear if expectations based upon those previous experiences are not always met. When we believe anything, we partly doubt it, and when we doubt anything, we partly believe it. [source]
Comparatively, "opinions" are generally malleable, temporal, provisional and more easily subject to change. They can seem true or probable but are inherently open for dispute and not nearly as unshakeable as beliefs.
"Views" are something that are seen from a particular vantage point of a person or persons that can be under constant change in that life itself is change and something that is not static. The identical thing can be seen or viewed quite differently and thus be seen as very different things when in fact it is one thing that is unchanged. The story of "The Blind Men and the Elephant" describes different viewpoints [of blind men, no less] of the same thing quite well.
World view
Perhaps your "worldview" of Cuba would be somewhat different had you not seen some of it through the eyes of Robert prior to the elite enlightenment that he gained in his pursuit of higher education and work at the university. It has now probably been nearly 10 years since he shared with you and me what he had seen and was offered to eat there as an athletic contestant during those days of international swimming competitions hosted by Fidel Castro. Instead of sharing what he saw as a somewhat typical visiting international competitor, had Robert instead been patient and waited until further along in his higher education and after being adequately enlightened by academic elites on how to properly suppress truth that is inconsistent with a proper "worldview," your current view of Cuba might now be more appropriate. For example, hypothetically, let's say that instead he shared with you and me what he saw in Cuba not as a typical, unenlightened American, but rather as he would envision through the eyes of a supposedly proud Cuban citizen as would be taught at the U of M.
Robert, with his new insight, now probably wishes that he had it to do over again and could have had you and I "see" what it was like to have been a proud Cuban all too happy to honor Fidel's command that was made in apparent hopes that he, Fidel, could make his country appear more prosperous to the world. With this new insight you could have better appreciated the rewarding sacrifice of communism for a greater good - equality - that is to say, the equal distribution of poverty. You could have seen and "felt" the joy of this imaginary Cuban, his family, and all other fellow Cubans that went hungry despite their own efforts to support themselves and their own families when the state relieved them of the burden of enjoying the respective fruits of their own labor with Fidel deciding essentially what was best for all concerned. You might have even been able to have sensed how it may have felt for your chest to swell in pride when obeying the state mandate that neither you nor your family eat any chicken for 6 months so instead it could be stored in Cuba's dilapidated freezers and at least kept somewhat "cool" in the tropical heat through the time leading up to the "feast" that would be given the forthcoming international visitors scheduled competition. Had you been a able to "see" Robert's story of his visit to Cuba this way, you may now instead have a much deeper, more empathetic and historical view of the "hope" and "change" that Fidel Castro promised the receptive and unsuspecting Cubans in the late 1950s when he wanted to become Cuba's new leader.
Your "worldview" of what you saw in Italy that you then relayed to Robert was possibly way too harsh. Maybe police standing on corners with their fingers on the triggers of fully automatic machine guns aren't so bad after all; and maybe, becoming more "European" and having just those same kind of police is what we needed in St. Paul during the National Republican Convention to have quelled the far left protesters, eh?
Your "worldview" of what you saw when in Nagales, Mexico and related to Robert may have also been greatly exaggerated. Even had I not been there along with you, your safety and security of the possessions you were carrying there that day and night would have been no different than had you been walking down the downtown streets of St. Paul.
Your "worldview" of what you and I had seen in our trips to the Bahamas must have also been very distorted. The predominantly Black Bahamian population [85% of African decent] probably had nothing or little to do with most everything that we had seen being kept seemingly so neat, clean and tidy. This of course doesn't even address how well not only adults were dressed but also their children. But not only were we apparently badly mistaken about what we thought to be obvious pride in their homes, workplaces, and personal appearance, but also in their speech. You and I must have had a few screws loose in our ears to have mistakenly thought that they spoke, aside from an accent, English more clearly than a lot of Americans regardless of their ethnicity or race.
It seems that to Robert, the coup de grâce of your perverted "worldview" [and mine for that matter] could perhaps be displayed no better than by the email you forwarded originating from my friend of long ago, Tom Prease. His email not only manifests patriotism for the USA but also faith that it is only through Jesus Christ that anyone can be with the Father in the hereafter. One could hardly pick two better topics that would irk or in some case, infuriate, the language police of politically correct speech, the Blame America First crowd, and of course, the "I'm Okay - You're Okay - Let's Everybody Just Get Along Bunch", that is to say: 57% of Evangelicals Who Believe There Are Other Ways To God Than Through Jesus Christ* - and in just one email no less! [* 70% of Americans with a religious affiliation share this same view.]
Extended visits traveled the region only 3 times
Yes Joann, how little did you realize that after you reading Tom Prease's email, which was apparently validated as an original authored by Prease personally by my cousin Tom G. [who for all practical purposes has always been my oldest brother] and then again by me, in that I had forwarded it to you, that you of all people would have, in an apparent lapse of better judgment, mustered the audacity to forward this personal account of observation and commentary by someone who, in extended visits, had traveled the region only three [3] times! And for "Pete’s sake," by now you should have learned from Robert and realized that a person of a minority race, ethnicity and religion, such as was the case with Tom Prease while he was in North Africa visiting Egypt and including his travels to the Middle East, should be ignored and dismissed with prejudice. [Or did I get that wrong? Is it rather only white, heterosexual, Christian, American males who are to be ignored and dismissed with prejudice regardless of where they are on the planet? Tom P. used to have a quippy remark that I’ve never forgotten, "Everybody’s gotta be someplace." Sorry to say, that was then and this is now. Now it seems, at least according to what Robert implies, there is no "place" left anywhere on this planet for anyone such as Tom Prease anymore.]
Something for you to remember in the future
With the aforementioned in mind, it sure seems that you should have realized that any conservative commentary, much less that originating from personal observations, should only be shared with your or my offspring, much less other family, if you could give them the choice of whether or not they even dare view it or any part thereof. And, even then if they dared to take you up on it you should have only allowed for it to be presented if certain precautions were first taken, such as them having, in hand, a channel changer with fully charged batteries. Oops, sorry, I'm getting a little ahead of myself. Let me back up.
I'll expound and start more at the beginning. Should you ever have in your possession something that you may possibly perceive to be conservative commentary, that may include but is not limited to:
- something that favors the USA over any other country,
- something that favors Christianity over any other religion,
- something that favors Judaeo-Christian ethic over any other,
- something that favors personal accountability and responsibility over placing such on other people or things,
- something that favors that all of us, each as independent individuals, and not anyone else, are respectively and solely responsible for generating whatever may be our own personal feelings and emotions, such as "happiness," "sadness," "feeling offended," "feeling hated," "mad," or "angry," and other than physiological conditions, these feelings and emotions result directly from each of our personal expectations being met, not met, or surprised,
- something that favors our country's founding fathers' thinking over more current thought,
- something that favors the USA having borders over it being borderless,
- something that favors legal immigration over illegal immigration,
- something that favors the USA being a superpower with its navy and military power not playing second-fiddle or being weaker than one or more friend or foe country or countries around the world,
- something that favors strong family bond and self-reliance over that with a village or community,
- something that favors prioritizing level of importance with God first, self and family second and government third as opposed to government first, self and family second and God third,
- something that favors our Constitutional, representative republic over any other form of government,
- something that favors the USA over the UN,
- something that favors capitalism over socialism,
- something that favors capitalism over communism,
- something that favors capitalism over Marxism,
- something that favors our government being able to distinguish gender difference between men and women,
- something that favors human life whether in or out of the womb,
- something that favors human life in the womb as being exactly that and not the equivalent of snot that is expelled from the body,
- something that favors human life over the environment,
- something that favors the idea that Jesus Christ was not a liberal,
- something that favors the idea that Jesus Christ was not a communist,
- something that favors the idea that Jesus Christ was not a community organizer just as was Barack Hussein Obama, and of course
- something that favors the idea that President Bush is not the devil incarnate; and
you are considering sharing any such conservative commentary with any of our offspring, immediate family, or others, you should 1) first ask them each individually if they might consider looking at, or reading something, of which you have a hunch or "sneaky suspicion" may differ to some degree from the perception or perceptions that they already hold. If they answer in no uncertain terms in the affirmative, then and only then proceed to the next step. The next steps of what should be done with this item that you understand to be some form of "conservative commentary" are as follows:
2) it should, the best you can, be first watered-down and edited; then
3) the final and only text be sent to some obscure local cable channel TV station and all rough drafts that remain be destroyed; then
4) suggest to the station's producer that because do not want yourself or the station to be held liable in any way for its contents, potential viewers should first be informed expressly of the caveat heading you had given it, stating, "Far rightwing ultra-conservative viewpoint not suitable for impressionable children or young adults 17 years old or younger neither endorsed nor representative of this channel's ownership or the source that relayed this controversial topic for airing"; then urge that
5) it be televised only after midnight, and
6) be read aloud on camera with the snideness and facial expressions of and by some Keith Olbermann wannabe. [Joann, despite all your precautions, be prepared nevertheless to become the "Worse Person In the World!"]
Now don’t get me wrong, of course I’m sure that Robert respects that you had and still have a "right to communicate what you thought was right." I just think though that the next time you want to communicate it, if you would just follow the simple guidelines that I laid out and enumerated in the paragraph above, you would discover that your communication would probably be received with less complaints. I’m sure that you’d agree that it’s important to always be aware of your audience. It’s very important to you and all those who wish to communicate with a liberal, open-minded audience that their message falls within the parameters of acceptability recognized at least by the more fair-minded of the Left wing in American politics.
If you are ever in doubt, however, whether something falls within those parameters, remember this ‘rule of thumb": Today’s "liberals" …[Well okay, "liberal" or "liberalism" has lately been fast becoming a pejorative. This I think is due largely to the American public seeing and hearing sometimes instantly in the media liberals in action (such as by the new, predominantly liberal, Democrat majority Congress that now has the lowest approval rating in American history). Seeing and hearing are not the only things that have led to this record-setting dim view of American liberalism. Americans are now feeling it deeply – in their daily lives and in their pocket books. Everyday, they are experiencing the results of those liberals’ actions from such things as their:
- squeeze on personal liberty and freedom;
- limiting political speech, removal of rights with property ownership;
- unquenchable thirst for more and more tax dollars to fund more and more projects and programs of questionable Constitutionality;
- plan for American taxpayers to pay for welfare throughout different parts of the world,
- relentless push to remove US borders and open the floodgates that would, among other things, pour millions more of the unskilled and uneducated into a socialist system that in turn would devastate American taxpayers who are already overburdened with funding it who would then be expected to cover costs of all those additional people who’d receive great benefit although never having paid in or having little or no promise of ever paying anything in much less anything that would be substantial,
- refusal to allow Americans to enjoy their own energy resources;
- obstruction of the free market to provide inexpensive energy for home energy, transportation, business; and industry; and in so doing,
- needlessly driving up energy costs leading to doubling, tripling or more the cost of fuel, making it, among other things, a "luxury" to fill up a car’s gas tank or heat a home above 60 degrees; and,
- prohibiting the free exercise their religion in all areas of federal jurisdiction if the religion happens to be Christianity,
to name a few. So instead, I’ll use a newer term with which the public hasn’t yet come to fully appreciate to be just another name to describe pretty much the same political group:] Today’s "progressives" believe absolutely in vibrant free speech and expression – as long as it conforms to their current beliefs, opinions, views, and spin regardless of whether or not any such holding has any basis in fact or substance with respect to whatever may be in question.
Something for you to remember in the past ["those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it"]
"It is propaganda, often leans towards war-mongering, borders on hate speech, and is very reminiscent of tactics used by the Nazis against the Jews and the early Americans against the African slaves and the indigenous native peoples." In Robert’s reminiscences, what seems to escape him is how in the 1930s academia such as that of Columbia and Harvard universities who thought highly of Hitler and Nazi Germany and tried to forge friendly relations with Nazi-controlled German universities [source, source]. This was despite during that time, it was widely reported that German Jews were segregated in schools, beaten in the streets, purged from universities and their businesses boycotted. The Nazis were the first "green" party. They created nature preserves, championed sustainable forestry, curbed air pollution, and designed the autobahn highway network as a way of bringing Germans closer to nature [source]. They were also the first to commence an anti-tobacco campaign and ban smoking in public places. Hitler and the Nazi Party promised "hope" and "change" [words always known to excite liberals] that attracted and gained overwhelming support of many German youth, students, lawyers, doctors, teachers, self-employed craftsmen and small businessmen [source]. I would have thought that Robert, in achieving his Master’s degree in communications and thus being an academic himself, would have studied, at least to some extent, the persuasiveness of the rhetoric used by Nazis on the German populous of the 1930s and why, regardless of it’s violent nature when faced with those who did not agree with its political ideology, it attracted the great liberal minds at Columbia and Harvard. And, of course, I would have also thought that perhaps he would have thought twice before using something so praised by academia that turned out so terribly wrong. But hey, maybe he just thought that it sounded good and that you wouldn’t know any better!
As far as "propaganda" leaning towards "war-mongering" that bordered on "hate-speech" with respect to "African slaves" in the US 150 years ago, well, they were generally considered valuable property and not something against whom to go to war or hate. For that matter, "blacks themselves held slaves throughout the war between the States. In 1860 some 3,000 blacks owned nearly 20,000 black slaves. In South Carolina alone, black slaveholders owned more than 10,000 blacks" [source]. Obviously, for them anyway, race or ethnicity was probably not a big issue. If they had carried ill-feelings amongst themselves from the Continent of Africa where one group or tribe captured those of another to then be sold to slave merchants for transport to America, then of course one could appreciate hate-speech directed between blacks who themselves, families or ancestors committed the initial captures and those who themselves, families or ancestors had been the captives.
With respect to the "indigenous native peoples," "war-mongering" and "hate-speech" was nothing new to them. There is a long history of such throughout the Americas well before 1492 when Christopher Columbus had traveled no farther than the West Indies. "Indigenous native peoples" in both North and South America were waring people for numerous centuries prior the the coming of Europeans to these continents. I would seriously doubt that they whispered "sweet nothings" in the face of an oncoming warrior before they attempted to crack his head wide open with an axe.
New decisions based upon new information
Bear in mind that Robert's only 40 years old and probably hasn't yet come to fully appreciate that as we experience life and the more we learn, the more we learn how little we actually know. Even though oft times as a real estate agent he probably hears it to some degree every time he shows prospective buyers buildings, rooms and grounds of real estate that they come to the conclusion that they want to purchase, I think he has probably forgotten something that I told him a long time ago which you and I both believe to be true; that is, people don't ever just simply change their minds. They do, however, make new decisions based upon new information. That "new" information can come in many different forms whether physical or abstract. I think that making decisions and forming opinions are pretty much in the same boat. Joann, just think of the countless times we've changed our opinions based upon new information to which we had been exposed.
Aside from our faith - I am not saying that we are capable of deciding differently on everything contingent upon new information we may receive, because, I must admit, on some things we're pretty firm - but, then again, "who knows?' For example: If you and I were on an intergalactic spaceship attempting to fulfill a mission to save mankind with a few others and had limited amount of essential resources left necessary for our survival before we would arrive at the planned destination where all human life back home hung in the balance of whether or not we could then carry out the plan, and a crew member became pregnant with the pregnancy if continuing anywhere near full term without doubt, meant certain death to all of us crewmembers prior to carrying out our mission and of course death to the rest of humankind, well, just maybe this new information might tend to give us reason to make a new decision in the given instant. However, here on Earth things are a bit different. There are about 5000 partial birth abortions in the USA every year. Every day there are about 4,000 abortions using all different methods. Statistically, until about this month, more American lives are lost each day due to abortions than the total number of American military fatalities during all the years of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars combined.
To be clear, "partial birth" abortion is one that is performed when the mother is giving birth to a live [whether viable or not] baby but the baby is killed before it is fully out of its mother. The mother is technically pregnant until the baby is fully out of her. So, aside from whatever the baby may feel or think to the contrary, in order for at least the doctors, nurses, and mothers to be on the "safe side" risking no wrongful death, manslaughter, murder, or other similar charge brought against them for this anathema, they try to make sure the killing is at least legal pursuant with man's law* qualifying it as abortion and not premeditated murder. With permission of its mother the baby is killed while at least still partially inside her. [* Man's law: In this matter this is to say what 7 of 9 guys in black robes pretending to be God dreamed up back in the 70s who took it upon themselves to become supreme moral arbiters in spite of the absence of an enumerated Constitutional power to do so. "The unborn child’s right to life and liberty is given by his or her Creator, not by his or her parents or by the state." - ProLifePhysicians.org]
Another method of abortion during late-term is labor-induced abortion. Statistics on this method in the US are not well-kept or at least not easily accessible for me. It is however estimated that their numbers are significantly much higher than the average of 5000 US partial birth abortions per year. In this labor-induced method the doctor injects a drug into the cervix that induces premature labor and it is anticipated that the baby will die during this birth process or soon afterwards. [As a father of his daughter Olivia who is less than a month old, Robert might now better be able to appreciate this. My daughter Sarah was a "preemie" as they are called. Her mother and I were both expecting our baby would go full-term before birth. This turned out not to be the case. Even though no drug was given to induce premature labor, nonetheless she went into it anyway. (As many as 11% of all mothers give birth prematurely.) The nurses in Children's Hospital told my wife and me that our daughter recognized my voice whenever I was talking while entering the intensive care unit to see her. They could see on electronic monitors her responding significantly to my voice compared to no special response to other male voices in the unit. After over 2 weeks in intensive neonatal care the doctors said they thought our daughter looked to be "out of the woods" and was going to make it. However, shortly after them saying that she then suddenly she took a turn for the worse - a day later Sarah died in my arms.]
Compassionate liberals offer nice wooden rocking chairs
to rock babies to death who survived botched abortions
However, not all these abortion procedures achieve the intended result - babies don't always die while still in their mothers. Barack Hussein Obama favors a "solution" to that. It's not a big deal. Simply "shelve"* these living babies that survived botched abortions and let them die on their own whether "in the department's soiled utility room next to dirty linens, bloody and biohazardous waste, and a urinal" or in a "Comfort Room" that is "prettily wallpapered ... complete with a First Foto machine, baptismal gowns, a footprinter and baby bracelets [keepsakes to parents of their aborted babies]" and has "a nice wooden rocker ... to rock live aborted babies to death" [source, source].
Heaven forbid that their mothers be "punished with a baby" [quoting Barack Obama (video source) speaking about this possibility with respect to his own daughters]. What the heck, these infants are too young and fragile to get up and find an IV, oxygen mask, open the door of a perinatal incubator, or much less go get a drink of water or find something in the frig that could sustain their life - so there you have it, nothing to worry about. Obama was being way too modest when he said recently that this subject "was above my paygrade." [video source]
[* Remember that "shelving" should not be confused with putting the baby in a bag along with baby puppies that are thrown in a river. Other than possibly a stearn warning or a little probation, nothing would probably come of one of these babies who survived a botched abortion being in the bag, but the puppies in it too would be entirely another thing. Abortion advocates such as Barack Obama who think rocking babies to death so they don't suffer so much is fine - have also brought us the animal cruelty laws that could land you 3 to 5 years in prison if you were caught having a litter of puppies in the bag along with the baby. For that matter, even if you didn't do the river toss you still nevertheless might be in the same deep doodoo if you were caught depriving food and water to a new puppy so that it would die.]
The last I heard on this is that these late-term partial birth or labor-induced abortions that can occur right up to the moment of birth [which can mean after 9 months or more of pregnancy] are permitted in most places only if the mother's "health" is at risk. What isn't commonly known, however, [thanks to our mainstream media that side with liberal causes] is that this doesn't mean strictly that her life is at stake and the risk would be reduced greatly if the baby is aborted. Regardless of her physical health it can merely mean a threat to her "mental" health alone - with nothing at all to do with saving the mother's life or even physical well-being. Abortion advocates have been fighting tooth and nail to keep "mental health" [which can mean darn near anything and everything] of the mother as enough cause alone to qualify a mother to obtain a late-term abortion.
Haven't we come a long way since the day when an expectant mother who didn't want to give birth to a living child only choice was to stab it to death with a coat hanger? Thanks to modern-day liberalism, she now doesn't have to do it herself and can now legally hire a doctor to stab it to death or find some other creative way to kill the little person. But better than that, if Obama can produce his birth certicate and get elected as president, he'll do what he can to see to it that the mother et al., won't have to cough up their own money to pay for the hit, oops, I mean the "procedure." Instead, with the threat of imprisonment unless cooperative, money will be gathered from Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, agnostics, atheists and others so to pay off these human life exterminators with what is called "tax dollars." Joann, should you forward this email to anyone I would hope that they could see that the debate is over. This would be for them: For those of you who still wonder whether or not Jesus would be a modern-day liberal, reread this paragraph.
Hasn't quite yet squared with himself?
Bearing in mind that you had told me a number of months ago that Robert and Amanda were planning on going to a Obama ralley, I think that it's maybe a reasonable bet that he plans on voting and supporting him for president. If this is the case, then it might be that Robert hasn't quite yet squared with himself how he'll be able to look you, and others in his family with babies and preschoolers, "in the eye" and somehow attempt justify voting for someone who, among other things, promotes that some newborn babies be refused food and water so that they would die; especially now since he and Amanda became new parents. Other than obviously avoiding family get-togethers, even to the extent of his not visiting or phoning his grandpa after his recent heart attack and his 2 subsequent stays in the hospital for possible fear that other family members might be present, Robert's "silence," "smiles and nods" may have worked well, so far anyway. He thus far has been able to avoid circumstances where he might be asked to share with his family members why he "staunchly" supports someone whose prejudice has gone terribly beyond "consistent denigration of certain people groups." This is to say, someone who holds extreme prejudice against certain groups of "babies." Understandably, if the topic would arise, even with a master's degree in communication, Robert may not feel he has yet all the communication skills necessary to adequately explain while he and Amanda are showing off their new baby Olivia to the family why he supports someone who doesn't think these babies "deserve to be seen as humans ... possessing infinite worth for which God was willing to sacrifice his only Son!"
I wonder if Robert somehow thinks that this strategy and same tactics will work on Olivia when she's older, you think? Well at least you don't have to worry about it. If Robert ever permits her to meet others in her family and she should then at that point ask you what your position was regarding whether or not certain babies should have been allowed to live back when Obama ran for president, all you'll have to do is show her this email that will have been saved to disc.
"When good negotiates with evil, good loses every time"
If I remember correctly, in some email exchanges about a year ago that you, Robert and I had regarding Robert's defense of political Islam, he had summarily dismissed a statement that I had made that went something like this, "When good negotiates with evil, good loses every time." Sometimes such negotiation doesn't have to be made by us directly in order for us to suffer loss. It can be made by our representative. When we choose someone to represent us who we know is willing to negotiate with evil [without any "preconditions" no less], it is our premeditated choice itself that actually commences such negotiations. What we may not appreciate, however, is that the loss we'll suffer is not limited to just the apparent matter at hand. It can extend to all facets of our lives and including those times when showing off our new baby to the rest of the family.
In fairness, Robert may have a point
As I had stated at the onset of this email Joann, at the bottom of this email to you appearing below the line of asterisks is an excerpt regarding potential problems with political Islam from an email that I had sent to Robert back on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:30 PM. To my knowledge, I never received anything back from him regarding that email whatsoever. I may have missed it, but as far as I know he did not take issue anything stated therein. This of course is quite unlike what he had said previously to you. It was his disbelief that foreign nationals who had illegally crossed our USA borders would ever leave a mess at the border, much less a mess that could be photographed; or, that actual [the "real deal"] radical Islamofascists/Islamo-nazis of political Islam in London would ever dare to be photographed holding up signs made by one sign maker using same or similar font that suggested their displeasure with Americans. [CNN International editors, reporters, and photographers would no doubt beg to differ, but what the heck would they know about what happened in London back in 2006 compared to Robert! see: 'Suicide bomb' protester arrested]
Robert may have a point though. Why would the more radical proponents of political Islam use hand-held signs to convey their hatred of Western culture and desire to destroy all those who refuse to submit to their religious beliefs when their actions and subsequent photos of the respective aftermath could do far more in getting their message across? I think their actions got their message across, at least, to your son Bill first-hand when he was at one of the US embassies [at the time of this writing, I can't remember which one] that had just been attacked before he came upon the scene. While he was still there, or shortly thereafter, he described to you the aftermath of body parts and blood spattered on remaining walls. Along with a picture of that embassy, here are some other pictures of what some have inexplicably forgotten. These photos manifest what I am trying to describe and the recurring message conveyed from political Islam on US soil and other parts of the world [It seems to me that the "Left" in the US would prefer Americans to remember or somehow think of these attacks as anomalies, freakish disasters or tragedies identical to human devastation caused by tornadoes or earthquakes, that is to say, anything but the direct assault by political Islam jihad extremists.]:
 
           
Here is a list of some, but not certainly all of the hundreds of Islamofascist terrorist attacks that primarily targeted and murdered thousands of civilian people committed on both US and foreign soil:
* Airliner highjackings, World Trade Center and Pentagon attack (2001)
* USS Cole attacked by two Islamofascists in a boat filled with explosives (2000)
* First World Trade Center Attack (1993)
* Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya (1998)
* The attack at CIA HQ by Mir Aimal Kansi (1993)
* The failed NYC Landmark Bomb Plot (1993)
* Brooklyn Bridge Shooting of Hasidic Seminary student by Rashid Baz (1994)
* 2 American Consulate workers killed and another wounded in Karachi (1995)
* Khobar Towers Bombing with 19 dead and many more wounded (1996)
"Art Of War" author Sun Tsu: "know the enemy"
Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum: "know the enemy." Many of us, who I'll call "we" from this point forward under this topic, "know the enemy" is not bound by borders of any county. We "know the enemy" hides itself in the midst of many others, whether in numerous countries throughout the world or right here in the US. We "know the enemy" in the US is relatively small in number in that many of whom claim to have submitted themselves to [a]llah know not of the intolerant, unforgiving obedience demanded by the doctrine of political Islam and all that it entails. We "know the enemy" knows that in order to come to this deeper fundamental understanding and true appreciation, the first step is the submission of oneself to Islam. We "know the enemy" knows it can slowly grow its numbers through its fundamental teachings. We "know the enemy" is patient yet relentless and will never tire. We "know the enemy" in some cases has taken centuries to achieve victory. We "know the enemy," aside from a few exceptions, look like they are from the Middle East, that is to say, Arab. We "know the enemy," in terms of appearance alone, knows that its minions are indistinguishable from others of Middle Eastern origin. We "know the enemy" is not an idiot nor are its soldiers and they will take advantage of being indistinguishable every chance they get. We "know the enemy" knows that its path to ultimate victory will not normally be by armed, frontal assault. We "know the enemy" knows that it is no military match for the USA and that it could not vanquish our forces on any conventional front. We "know the enemy" knows that it must conquer its foe from within and destroy the very fabric of its might. We "know the enemy" knows it must be patient, to the point of lying dormant for years, awaiting opportune moments wherein to strike. We "know the enemy" to the extent that its ultimate goal is to have its foe submit or die.
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." - Sun Tzu
We "know the enemy" knows that it has a tremendous, although hopefully unwitting ally residing right here in the USA. No, this ally won't actively assist in plots, plant bombs, spread poison around schools, attach explosives to themselves to commit mass murder, or fly airplanes as missiles or pilot boats to become torpedoes. No, because the enemy knows their ally's secret role, or secret mission if you will, and despite its ally's ignorance of it, is of far greater importance than partaking in any of these types of terrorist activities. The "mission" whether their ally realizes it or not has already been highly successful with promise of much more. This "mission" has been to provide and is to provide better protection than perhaps anywhere else in the world. Long-term stealth communication, undetected movement, concealment, and the deceptive tactic for the enemy to remain overall indiscernible from the surrounding environment while spearheading multiple targets in heavily populated areas of their foe, is exactly what the enemy knows or believes necessary to achieve ultimately victory - regardless of how long it takes.
The enemy knows that it is being helped immensely by this unconventional ally's continual propaganda that promotes an environment where it, the enemy, can establish a stronger foothold and gain further ground. Unsuspecting youth, students, and others who can be swayed by pressure to conform to political correctness over and above common sense, and also those who are not so easily swayed, are all nonetheless continually bombarded with both direct and hidden persuasion from nearly all media as well as that which is directed from positions of power and influence. The specious message is clear. It is immoral and unjust to attempt in any way, other than with respect to white heterosexual male Americans, discern differences in people and their behaviors as to what may otherwise be seen as unusual or out of place. Moreover, that it is wrong for the unsuspecting to place on equal footing, or worse, revere higher value on, their own American culture and heritage over that of any other. Essentially, the underlying message is that we should now welcome that which is new and different and cast away old American custom, culture and mores to make way for embracing a new paradigm.
The enemy knows that this unknowing ally is vigilant. This unknowing ally will continually maintain, reinforce, and promote the self-destructive nature of political correctness in America. The self-destructiveness of political correctness can certainly be "a means to an end," regardless of whether or not it is recognized as such by all those who engage in it. The advancement of political correctitude, which dissipates barriers of many thoughts and actions, has little or no regard to some of those thoughts and actions that are synergistically critical for self-preservation in the long-term. [Although "self-preservation" is normally a term reserved for describing the preservations of one’s own life, it can also include one’s ideals, because in some cases they may ultimately be inseparable. What I am trying to relate here can be better understood when one revisits how leaders in socialist, fascist, communist and totalitarian governments had initially gained power. Without exception, historically, in each and every case the leaders of these forms of government first gained and then held ongoing power by continued murder and treachery as a "means" to stop anyone whose thoughts or actions posed a threat to their despotic intent.]
This incessant demand for political correctness has been clearing the way for what is becoming undeterred propagation of this "new paradigm" to increasing numbers of receptive, unsuspecting, so-called open-minded, independent-thinking* Americans. Many of these receptive and unsuspecting Americans are being led unknowingly down a long path to a destination where, if these Americans knew of it ahead of time, they would absolutely not want to arrive. All too many Americans are being led fallaciously to believe that, among other things, the non-assimilation of immigrants, promotion of multiculturalism, advocation of ever-expanding diversity in language and culture, and the validation of sanctuary cities are each and all necessary for the pretended and imaginary need for Americans to finally absolve themselves of their nation's previous transgressions and guilt that resulted. In turn, this should supposedly make America "likeable" once again in the "world community." [Of course, if all of this were actually accomplished, what is now known as the USA would cease to exist. What its giving people do for the world would have stopped and remained as something seen only in the history books. (* "independent-thinking" - Those who are commonly thought to have this are independents, centrists, moderates, and others who must first wait to see which way the wind is blowing and what the polls say before offering an opinion.)]
Of course, the enemy will love this! And, no doubt, will love it regardless of whether or not the "end" is actually ever achieved by it's "useful idiot" ally. Just the advancement of this "hogwash" [the wash in which Islamic fundamentalists must think that Christian "pigs" bathe themselves] makes it much easier for it, the enemy, to be more secure in its footing and increase the number of "safe havens" or pockets across the US in which it can thrive and multiply among others of the same ethnicity and culture.
We "know the enemy" enjoys an unholy alliance
This tacit and unholy alliance between our enemy and its unsuspecting ally right here in the USA was a match made in ...., well I don't think it was Heaven, anyway. No place other than in the USA could such protection and cover be provided a self-declared enemy of the state better than by the combined forces of some of this country's Rino Republicans, many of its Democrats, as well as many or all liberals in the media, education, clergy, business who have turned a "blind eye" to common sense and probability to favor political correctness - even to the point of being suicidal. Our enemy has already long ago realized that this assortment of liberals will cry out: "Racism!" "Hate-speech!" " "War-mongering!" - whenever its actions are under suspect. American liberals, despite the high degree of mathematical probability based upon well-documented previous events, whenever possible will not allow, or will at least try to prevent either race and ethnicity from being on a list of indicia used in profiling those who would be suspected of terrorist threat.
Does the enemy even exist?
Lastly, we "know the enemy," at least until its time is "right," prays, no doubt, that it can remain undetected or invisible, or even better yet, not even "exist" as an "enemy" in the minds of the American population. In other words, it prays that it is thought to be nothing more than something of the distant past to be long forgotten. So far, it appears that these prayers are being answered when hearing the words and watching the actions of their unsuspecting ally, that is to say, most liberals throughout America. This is exemplified to some degree by the terms they, as well as the others who they have influenced, have used equally, or in some cases, considerably more often than others to describe exactly what happened on September 11th, 2001; or, for that matter, in their hindsight seen through the same liberal prism back to December 7th, 1941. In either case, some of the descriptive words they now use to describe either of those days are more akin to acts of God such as natural disasters. This is to say that what normally would have been reserved for the description of such things as volcanic eruptions, landslides, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornadoes, and lightning strikes, they are now interchanging with words that would have accurately described an act or acts of an enemy on those days, such as: attack; attacks; act or acts of war; and or even mass murder [although in the context of war, those who are killed are termed "casualties" and those doing the killing, even though such is premeditated, are not considered murderers]. Here I think would be a good across-the-board sampling of what I'm trying to convey:
"9/11 tragedy" [Google search: 5,800,000 hits]; "wtc tragedy" [Google search: 1,520,000 hits]; "wtc disaster" [Google search: 253,000 hits]; now compare the combined average website page hits with the lower number for "wtc attack" [Google search: 376,000 hits].
This same pattern seems to hold true even when comparing descriptions of the Pearl Harbor attack by the Japanese on December 7th, 1941: "pearl harbor tragedy" [Google search: 1,300,000 hits]; "pearl harbor disaster" [Google search: 1,830,000 hits]; and, now compare the combined average hits for these websites pages with the lower number for "pearl harbor attack" [Google search: 756,000 hits].
Just in case we find ourselves starting to have our vision blurred by inadvertently seeing things through a liberal prism, here below is a visual reminder to help us distinguish the difference between an "act of God" and the "act of an enemy":


The aforementioned prayers of our enemy, however, although not answered by God, seem well on there way to being answered by one of His former angels, the fallen angel Lucifer. Bear in mind that the greatest accomplishment of Lucifer, or the devil as we call him, was to convince much of mankind that he did not even exist.
Ditched clothes and phony signs?
To refresh your memory, here are some of the pictures from those previous emails that Robert had asserted were phony and used essentially as propaganda 1) to urge Americans to insist that their state and federal governments enforce the laws that protect the border; and, 2) to remind Americans to remain vigilant and wary of political Islam. The first two appearing below were alleged to have been taken near the Mexican border of clothes discarded in ditches by foreign nationals who crossed the border illegally.

The 3 pictures appearing below are more photographs that Robert found unbelievable. He thought that they had been "doctored" despite the fact of there being an "AP PHOTO" mark on each photo's lower right corner and that in 2006 they were published in what are generally considered to be credible websites such as CNN.com, Canada.com as well as some others. Along with the pictures these websites covered a story about a man in England that had supposedly violated parole who was being sent back to prison. I suppose, unless proven otherwise, there's the possibility that the photos had been "doctored" using Photoshop or some similar program where the signs had been inserted in angry crowd photos, then presented somehow slipped in along with the AP news stories as official AP photos that were to accompany the stories that were sent around the world. I have searched the Internet to see if this hypothesis has been entertained by anyone other than Robert. So far, he's the only one of whom I know that posited this idea. To me anyway, doing all that it would have taken to have phony photos accompany AP news stories from England would have been a lot of trouble for little or no gain; particularly, since there were a lot of different protests organized [some of which directly or indirectly by governments] and staged [and witnessed by thousands] in different parts of Europe and Middle East by Muslims who, among other things, have obviously no sense of humor when it comes to certain kinds of cartoons.
According to the news stories, this guy was wearing a simulated suicide bombing outfit outside the Danish Embassy in London during protests against cartoons of the so-called "Prophet Mohammed."
 
"Conservative opposition spokesman David Davis said slogans such as 'Massacre those who insult Islam' and 'Europe you will pay, your 9/11 will come' amounted to incitement to murder and that police should take a 'no tolerance' approach to them." CNN
Assuming that Robert accepts the purported fact that the London protests indeed did occur and that they had been organized in some fashion, it seems though that he cannot imagine that the London protests were organized by a person or persons who wanted the vocal and printed message spread throughout the world and moreover wanted to be sure that the words of it could be read clearly without misspellings. This blurring of the message, of course, may have certainly occurred if some of protesters were new to London as well as new to the English language and attempted to make signs on their own; hence, why at least in my estimation that there would be a reasonable possibility that the sign making was commissioned upon at least one scribe who knew English sufficiently.
Hypnosis, brainwashing, and indoctrination
Robert reminds me of back when I used to hypnotize people and before they'd return to full consciousness, I'd commence with a little experiment. I would give them a post-hypnotic suggestion of something that would reasonably defy all common sense and logic for someone in the normal conscious state. I don't now remember exactly what these post-hypnotic suggestion were, but they'd be something like a door knob was terribly hot or the number "seven" - the digit "7" did not exist. When they would awake from hypnosis, and they [alone] "heard the door bell ring" [another post-hypnotic suggestion] and then proceed to answer the door, they very much acted like they burnt their hand when they grabbed the door knob. Even after I would tell them immediately that no one had put a lit lighter underneath the knob, they refused to believe it and their hand still hurt. I would try to convince them in different ways the hot knob was nothing more than their imagination and including that it was nothing more than a suggestion they were given under hypnosis, but even that wouldn't work. Sometimes they would get visibly angry with me for not believing them and kept quite insistent. In some cases it took quite a while for them to overcome this manifestation of their belief system and able to once again touch the knob without it feeling hot. Much the same happened with the post-hypnotic suggestion of there being no such thing as the number seven. If I asked them to count from 1 to 10, they left out the number 7. If I would ask them what year the Declaration of Independence was signed, I might get a blank stare [and yes, they knew their American history well enough to have normally been able to answer the question]. It would usually take quite a bit of coaxing on my part for them to once again to accept the existence of the number 7. I should also add that in some cases, I was able to hypnotize someone without their specific knowledge of my intent or their express consent. All it really took in those cases was general trust of certain persons and the environment in which it would take place and willingness on their parts to be open-minded.
As you should know, I never had any formal training in hypnosis nor any training in how to either brainwash or indoctrinate effectively. The only thing close to that was my various classroom and in-the-field salesmanship training over the years prior to me ever knowingly hypnotizing anyone. That being said, it's my guess that all three, namely, hypnosis, brainwashing and indoctrination, have a number of common elements. I do know that repetition of hearing the same thing as a lot to do with hypnosis. It also very much involves the belief system. When you add these things to general trust and willingness to be open-mindedness on the part of the subject, it is my thinking that you would be well on your way to compiling factors necessary in an effective formula to brainwash or at least sufficiently indoctrinate a given subject. Yes, you guessed it, it's my bet that Robert has unknowingly been such a subject. It would certainly explain a lot of things.
Do sign-makers make signs for others including protesters?
For whatever it's worth, maybe Robert is unaware that many protesters nowadays don't always make their own signs. For example, here's a video of banners being mass produced by a group of individuals for an upcoming protest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ_Q4edSPDM
Here's another URL of a website that sells protest signs, flyers, buttons, etc, for the recent Republican National Convention here in St. Paul: http://www.northernsun.com/n/s/home/march-on-the-rnc.html
And here's yet another URL of a photo gallery of the MN Welfare Rights Coalition home website. Jim's and Nancy's deceased friend Sharon had a daughter Angel who is now and has been a spokesperson for this organization. She and this organization had planned protests at the Republican convention urging Republicans, among other things, to tax the so-called rich more so to pay even more for illegal aliens to, among other things, stay at home in the sanctuary city of St. Paul and make and raise out-of-wedlock babies. I am unaware at this point however if in fact their protests came to fruition. When you see all the different photos you'll see virtually identical font used on numerous signs they've displayed at various protests they've staged over the years: http://www.welfarerightsmn.org/gallery.html
FDR also guilty of making "sweeping generalizations" about a people who believed their leader descended from gods?
With respect to Robert remarking about what he probably considers as unbelievable absurdity of supporters of "other such nonsense" and using in hindsight what appears to be his current reasoning, one could thereby conclude that he might very well also think that Democrat president FDR made "sweeping generalizations" that lumped all the Japanese on the island of Japan with comparatively the small group of Kamikazes who attacked Pearl Harbor. Moreover, FDR somehow mistook this "negative aspect" of this small group of Japanese pilots as a threat to "the positive (and often romanticized) aspects of American culture" when in his radio broadcast to the American people he brought the news of this "negative aspect" [which many at the time called an "attack" or "act of war"] of the Japanese culture in the form of "propaganda" leaning "towards war-mongering" and bordering "on hate speech."
Ahh darn, it's just too bad the present-day liberalism that indoctrinates students at the U of M [the university from which my dad graduated, then I attended, and cousin Tom G, for that matter, and now Robert works] and elsewhere was unavailable to FDR during his college years. If it were, he might have then realized that the emperor-based ideology of Japan at the time, which held among other beliefs that the emperor descended from gods, was simply misunderstood by what he then would have thought were predominantly racist Americans in their Western culture.
Had FDR somehow first received what most likely a great percentage of our current academia would consider to be a "proper" liberal indoctrination that's [all too] prevalent today throughout our educational systems [and again in my opinion, if not prevalent, is nonetheless all too popular in various establishments of religion across the USA], instead of him being an advocate of Congress' declaration of war with Japan, he may have rather advised Americans it was their "God-damn" [quoting B. Hussein Obama’s spiritual advisor, minister and friend of 20 years, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. referring to America during a 2003 sermon (video source)] fault and explained to America that it was just "the chickens coming home to roost" [again quoting Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. statement in a sermon shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11 (source video)]. Moreover, this all could be put to rest if we did essentially nothing more than "believe that the love we share with others will be what convinces them of the error of their ways" [quoting Robert's solution to overcoming the threat of political Islam]. With this mindset, it wouldn't have been surprising if FDR would have gone on to have said the same essential thing that Robert had said to you just recently in his last email, that he [FDR] would have no part of it and be "staunchly opposed to, what seems to be a consistent denigration of certain people groups," that in this instance, were the Japanese.
Did Moses (or whomever wrote Genesis)
get "confused" about the story of the Tower of Babel?
Just think of how much better things could have turned out if rather than drawing that proverbial "line in the sand," that is to say declaring war against our enemies who killed well over 2,000 of us at Pearl Harbor on that December 7th [about 600 less were killed that day compared to September 11th], we instead had welcomed the surviving Japanese Kamikaze pilots and ensuing ground troop "immigrants" along with all others from the far corners of the world and including Germany and been "surrounded by people from every nation, tribe and tongue." Who knows, maybe by now "God damn America" [again quoting Obama's pastor Wright id.] could be closely approaching becoming a true "Heaven" on Earth. [That is of course if it mirrored the "Heaven" above as Robert envisions it, where he believes people, or at least their souls, are still diverse and divided by "nation, tribe, and tongue." Joann, if I remember correctly, it was at the Tower of Babel where the LORD confused the language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth." (Genesis 11:1-9) I don't remember of hearing or reading anywhere in the Bible where God confused language in "Heaven."]
Allow me to digress for a moment [even though it's way past the time I should have asked]. Ever since that Thanksgiving we had at Amanda's and Robert's a few years ago when I posed a question for which neither of them could give any real answer, I have still wondered why Robert thinks nonetheless that it's possible to keep people of diverse cultures who speak different languages united as a group in relative close proximity despite the fact that God Himself knew by doing nothing more than confusing the language that people would scatter all over the face of the earth.
Of course I realize that Christianity is a great unifier. Christ was born long after God confused the language. For a while I it was my hunch that maybe Robert thought that virtually all differences in language, custom, culture would fall by the wayside and eventually disappear as long as everyone held the same belief and faith in Christ - although perhaps not totally gone until the day Christ returns here on earth. However, it is now apparent that I was off on my hunch. It seems rather that he, Robert, would wish for diverse people of different ethnicity and culture to actively maintain their differences of language and culture of their respective country of origin, or of their parents' country of origin, here in the United States, and of course, right here probably moreso in the "sanctuary city" of St. Paul.
"Diversity" more important than saving human life
Well, good luck to him and all those who may think it isn't a good thing for immigrants to try to assimilate into customs, practices, language, and culture of this county and society to which they moved and now reside, namely, the United States. And, while I'm at wishing "good luck," I would like that luck extended to all those of us who have evidently put "saving human life" as a higher priority level than some of those in clergy, academia, and elsewhere who prefer the politics of "diversity" being ultimately more important than saving human life.
Oh sure, every instance of diversity is not always a life or death situation. However, even seemingly small, somewhat insignificant stuff can escalate into greater threat to life or well-being. Perhaps, at least as far as I know, this is why God did not instruct us to promote or maintain non-assimilation in our respective environments. For that matter, perhaps this is also why our country's founding fathers had never expressly addressed the condition of diversity, much less prescribed in our founding documents that it was in any way necessary or should be maintained in some manner in federal or state governments.
At any rate, this relatively new "politics of diversity" is making it tough, if not sometimes dangerous for all those involved who try to overcome these language and cultural barriers, or "walls of division" that these people of diverse backgrounds are advised to build or maintain by people such as Robert [the very form of "walls" he complains have been made and maintained by longtime Americans or those who have assimilated], when:
- trying to simply order some food,
- direct traffic,
- advise of law,
- enforce law,
- save people from burning buildings,
- provide immediate care in hospital emergency rooms,
- save potential drowning victims,
- use a restroom facility that had been used sanitarily before us,
- sleep in a hotel/motel bed absent cockroaches,
- save those with heart attacks,
- eat with some confidence that our food was prepared and served in a hygienic manner,
- hire for employment,
- avoid exposure of ourselves and our children [and grandchildren] who are subjected to close quarters [such as those in school or hospitals where there's a much higher probability to being exposed to various strains of communicable diseases such as forms of tuberculosis,polio, etc. that have been nearly eradicated by our public health system and screening of lawful immigrants],
- lend spiritual guidance, or in basic terms, simply
- instruct, educate, request, help, etc.
Joann, sometime you or I should mention to Robert that we would like to attend his church when there would be a sermon advising us on where in the Old and/or New Testament[s] that it is God's word to promote and maintain "diversity" in customs, practices, language, and culture amongst the people living in the same village, city, country, nation or on the same land. Unless and until I learn otherwise, I understand that "diversity" is essentially used Biblically only in the context of where and to whom we are to go and seek out to spread God's Word here on earth. In other words, we are Divinely instructed to go everywhere and seek out and bring God's Word to everyone and including those in diverse lands, language, gender, race and culture. In the New Testament, I know as Christians we are to carry the message of Christ everywhere without limitation and intentionally seek out those of the foredescribed diversity in that we can all become one under Christ.
Everyone believing in one God and that His only begotten Son died for our sins, rose from the dead and that it is ONLY through Him, Jesus Christ, that we can enter the Kingdom of Heaven, is the strongest of all bonds that can keep us together, spiritually and eternally. However, here on Earth in a practical sense, even though we hold the same beliefs, not being able to communicate with each other and customarily doing things very differently from each other is no attraction, instead it works in opposition. To some extent, it repels us from one another. For example Joann, are you attracted to going to the same McDonald's if those who attempt to take your order seem to understand nothing of what you say and likewise you understand nothing of what they say, either [in that it all sounds like so much "babel"] - but, nevertheless you hope that they'll get your order correct, but despite several attempts you find that it is still wrong when you open one of the wrappers in the car? My question was rhetorical - Joann, I know you're not.
Like attracts like - it's the law of attraction and one might say it's a law of the universe. The more things, and including humans, are similar, the more they are attracted to one another. Birds of a feather flock together as they say.
Do Compass Church Christians love Nazis as much as Muslims?
It's troublesome for me where Robert says "... our goal as a church [The Compass] is to love Muslims as much as we love Christians." Now if he said that the goal of his church is to love "Arabs" or "all people" or "all humans" I wouldn't have thought anything to be unusual. Perhaps it was just a misstatement. Having non-exclusionary "charity" [1 Corinthians, Chapter 13], or "love," as it has become to be known, for all people as it is described in the Bible is consistent with your and my Christian understanding and faith. But, my point though is that he didn't say "Arabs," he did in fact say specifically "Muslims." Robert said that Muslims "deserve to be seen as humans." With no exception, of course we agree with that. They are human life. [For that matter, so are unborn babies. Oh sure, we have many descriptions for them just as other human life such as Blacks, Caucasians, Mongoloids, Asians, Arabs, American Indians, youngsters, kids, geriatrics, oldsters, dwarfs, midgets, Homo sapiens, "least of my brothers" (quoting Barack Obama [source]), etc., but in any case, they're still absolutely human (in that they are not kangaroos or anything else) "possessing infinite worth for which God was willing to sacrifice his only Son!"] But let's reverse that thought; do all humans "deserve" to be seen as Muslims? Well, of course not! They are not one in the same. To be human only requires human existence. To be Muslim requires human action. God loves all his children. He does not love all their actions [sin is a human action, for example]. For a human to submit himself or herself to be Muslim is to mean that they have acquired a belief in a political ideology that is indistinguishable from spiritual and religious faith commenced and organized by a false prophet [in terms of our belief]. It's one thing be Divinely guided Biblically by "love" or "charity" to attract all people ["humans"] having different political ideology and/or religious faith, but it is quite another to even attempt to try to attract an artificial political ideology with love or charity.
To me, what in fact he did state would have been virtually no different than had he instead stated, "... our goal as a church is to love Nazis as much as we love Christians." Had he said that, it would have been a little strained, but I still would have considered giving him the benefit of the doubt of a misstatement by hoping he had really meant to say "love Germanic people" even though it would have been even a greater stretch in that he would have been required to have included the noun "people" in that "Germanic" doesn't become plural by adding "s" at the end of it. "Germanics" is a language family, not a family of people of any sort.
On the other hand, if he meant to specifically say "Muslims" then I must take it to mean that he is saying it is his Christian church's goal to love a belief [it's a particular belief and therefrom a submission that makes the person who submitted a "Muslim"] that rejects Christ as our savior and advocates the political and religious doctrine of Islam. [This might be seen to be a Freudian slip telling of a compulsion to ultimately achieve "diversity" as if it were a loftier goal than universal unity under Christ even somewhat at the expense of Christianity - in essence prostituting Christian faith so to maintain and perpetuate a constant diversity as if it were that and not "all one in Jesus Christ" (Galatians 3:28) we strove to achieve here on earth. If in fact Robert has muddled priorities and subconsciously placing diversity as the ultimate in achievement, then I would attribute it being at least partially due to him being in his everyday life surrounded by those (not including Amanda) who repetitively, and perhaps subliminally, pound it into his head whether they realize it or not. (Not that I think he would ever do it, but it would be interesting if he made a conscious effort during a given week to see how often the concept of diversity or the word itself or derivative was used by himself, around him, or in whatever reading materials he may have read. Then again, it might be next to impossible for him to do in that he being the subject would be too difficult to accurately be objective. It would be perhaps much like asking someone that I had hypnotized to remember during the course of a day or week how many times they were exposed to the number "7" that they didn't believe existed as per the post hypnotic suggestion they were given while in a relaxed state.)]
It is one thing to attract all those of different sexes, "socio-economic strata," "experiences," orientations, "ages," races, nationalities, "cultures," ethnicities, religions and those having no faith in something greater than just themselves. It is entirely another thing to attempt to maintain and keep ongoing any or all of those forementioned variances by the efforts of one or even many churches. Some things God leaves up to the individual. Nowhere in Rev. 7:9-12; Acts 6:1-7; 11:19-26; 13:1-3; Matt. 28:19-20; Eph. 2:14-22; Gal. 3:26-28, the cited Biblical verses by the pastor of The Compass Covenant Church, which the pastor offered as the basis for his church to maintain "multiculturalism," and affirming that "diversity" be an ongoing part of the church’s identity and vision in one unified church, do any of them [verses] say such. At least one of the pertinent Divine directive in those verses is for unity under Jesus Christ regardless from where one comes, not diversity.
As Christians I think we all can agree that we should love all people of all faiths. Loving all faiths is quite another thing. As Christians I don't think virtually any of us could agree that we should love all faiths of all people, much less the faith of Islam or the indistinguishable political Islam. To reiterate, I hope Robert's reference to loving Muslims was a misstatement. Otherwise, at best, it's a confusing message for those who are members of his church, for those who are considering becoming members, and of course for those who are considering becoming Christians whether they want to become members of his church or not.
Christians in Cairo
If Robert would ever think of bringing a branch of his Compass Christian Church to Cairo, Egypt, it'd probably be best that he did not bring his family with him or they may all three have as much as 3-5 years in prison to reconsider whether or not the "walls of division" are higher in America than those constructed by Muslims for Christians in Cairo. If you watch this video you will see why I say this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D1WhNwN5qk&feature=related
Pistol in your belt
It's too bad that Robert never seemed to respond with substance and fact instead of just rhetoric or nods and smiles. It kind of reminds me of something I told Robert about a while back. A night a long time ago in Milwaukee when one of the guys we were throwing out of a bar I worked at went for a gun in his holster belt, but his hand came up empty. His gun had already fallen out when he hit the door he flew through before landing outside on the sidewalk. He had a pretty sheepish look on his face as he quickly double-checked feeling all around to still find that his belt held no gun. He and his friend [who in fact did draw a gun but had it taken away before firing a shot] were both lucky they survived that night. One might consider from this, at least for the guy on the sidewalk, that it ain't good to have a chip on your shoulder if there ain't a pistol in your belt. In other words one might get all caught-up in believin' their own rhetoric so much that they might forget they never really had anything worth anything to back it up. "All hat and no cattle" as they say. - Michael
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----- Excerpt from email from Mike to Robert sent on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:30 PM. -----
In any case, he may have discovered or will learn here that Islam is about dualism and is antithetical [contrasted in character or purpose, diametrically opposite]. The Koran [which is actually two books, the Koran of Mecca (early) and the Koran of Medina (later)], Sira [life of Mohammed] and Hadith [traditions of Mohammed] are the foundational texts of Islam. "Koran, Sira and Hadith must be taken as a whole. We call them the Islamic Trilogy to emphasize the unity of the texts." - Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam [CSPI].
"Dualism is the foundation and key to understanding Islam. Everything about Islam comes in twos ..." - Bill Warner.
As stated previously, the Koran, is actually two books, the Koran of Mecca and the Koran of Medina. These two [2] books have many contradictions but both are considered by Muslims to be the perfect word of Allah, so whether verses in the later book contradict verses in the earlier book or vice versa, both are taken as sacred and true. So even if verses from one completely contradict verses from the other, only one of them cannot be taken as true, rather both nonetheless must be taken as true because Muslims believe that their Allah is never wrong.
[There, that's simple enough, you got it? *smile* ]
"For example:
[Koran of Mecca] 73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers] say with patience, and leave them with dignity. From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:
[Koran of Medina] 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!"
All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction—if two things contradict, then at least one of them is false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can contradict each other and both are true." - Bill Warner.
Mr. Warner goes on to point out that "all of our [Western] politics and ethics are based upon a unitary ethic that is best formulated in the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would be treated.
On the basis of the Golden Rule—the equality of human beings—we have created democracy, ended slavery and treat women and men as political equals. So the Golden Rule is a unitary ethic. All people are to be treated the same. All religions have some version of the Golden Rule except Islam."
Warner: "The term 'human being' has no meaning inside of Islam. There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam. There is no such thing as a universal statement of ethics in Islam. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers another way. The closest Islam comes to a universal statement of ethics is that the entire world must submit to Islam. After Mohammed became a prophet, he never treated an unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule."
Warner: "To reiterate, all of science is based upon the law of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic."
Dualistic ethic is the basis for jihad. The ethical system sets up the unbeliever as less than human and therefore, it is easy to kill, harm or deceive the unbeliever.There have been other dualistic cultures. The KKK comes to mind. But the KKK is a simplistic dualism. The KKK member hates all black people at all times; there is only one choice. This is very straightforward and easy to see. [I sure hope liberal Democrat Senator Robert (Sheets) Byrd, former Grand Wizard of the KKK has changed his thinking!] The dualism of Islam is more deceitful and offers two choices on how to treat the unbeliever. The unbeliever can be treated nicely, in the same way a farmer treats his cattle well. So Islam can be "nice", but in no case is the unbeliever a "brother" or a friend. In fact, there are some 14 verses of the Koran that are emphatic—a Muslim is never a friend to the unbeliever. A Muslim may be "friendly," but he is never an actual friend. And the degree to which a Muslim is actually a true friend is the degree to which he is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite."
This sums up what Mr. Warner says about how Western civilization has dealt with Islamic doctrine and history:
"Look at how Christians, Jews, blacks, intellectuals and artists have dealt with Islamic doctrine and history. In every case their primary ideas fail.
Christians believe that 'love conquers all.' Well, love does not conquer Islam. Christians have a difficult time seeing Islam as a political doctrine, not a religion. The sectarian nature of Christian thought means that the average non-Orthodox Christian has no knowledge or sympathy about the Orthodox Christian’s suffering.
Jews have a theology that posits a unique relationship between Jews and the creator-god of the universe. But Islam sees the Jews as apes who corrupted the Old Testament. Jews see no connection between Islam’s political doctrine and Israel.
Black intellectuals have based their ideas on the slave/victim status and how wrong it was for white Christians to make them slaves. Islam has never acknowledged any of the pain and suffering it has caused in Africa with its 1400-year-old slave trade. But blacks make no attempt to get an apology from Muslims and are silent in the presence of Islam. Why? Is it because Arabs are their masters?
Multiculturalism is bankrupt against Islam’s demand for every civilization to submit. The culture of tolerance collapses in the face of the sacred intolerance of dualistic ethics. Intellectuals respond by ignoring the failure.
Our intellectuals and artists have been abused for 1400 years. Indeed, the psychology of our intellectuals is exactly like the psychology of the abused wife, the sexually abused child or rape victim. Look at the parallels between the response of abuse victims and our intellectuals. See how violence has caused denial.
The victims deny that the abuse took place: Our media never reports the majority of jihad around the world. Our intellectuals don’t talk about how all of the violence is connected to a political doctrine.
The abuser uses fear to control the victim: What was the reason that newspapers would not publish the Mohammed cartoon? Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence for his novel. What "cutting edge" artist creates any artistic statement about Islam? Fear rules our intellectuals and artists.
The victims find ways to blame themselves: We are to blame for the attacks on September 11, 2001. If we try harder Muslims will act nicer. We have to accommodate their needs.
The victim is humiliated: White people will not talk about how their ancestors were enslaved by Islam. No one wants to claim the victims of jihad. Why won’t we claim the suffering of our ancestors? Why don’t we cry about the loss of cultures and peoples? We are too ashamed to care.
The victim feels helpless: 'What are we going to do?' 'We can’t kill 1.3 billion people.' No one has any understanding or optimism. No one has an idea of what to try. The only plan is to 'be nicer.'
The victim turns the anger inward: What is the most divisive issue in today’s politics? Iraq. And what is Iraq really about? Political Islam. The Web has a video about how the CIA and Bush planned and executed September 11. Cultural self-loathing is the watchword of our intellectuals and artists.
We hate ourselves because we are mentally molested and abused. Our intellectuals and artists have responded to the abuse of jihad just as a sexually abused child or a rape victim would respond. We are quite intellectually ill and are failing at our job of clear thinking. We can’t look at our denial."
Mr. Warner think it's crucial for us to learn the doctrine of political Islam. He summarizes that here:
"Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct. We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated. Or put another way: if we do not learn the doctrine of political Islam, our civilization will be annihilated just as Egypt’s Coptic civilization was annihilated."
Bearing all this in mind it may make it easier for Robert to somehow believe that there could actually be a shred of truth to the story that:
"Some radical Mullahs have told their European congregations that Islamic Shari'a law justifies shoplifting and other forms of stealing from European merchants and companies as a way to make non-Muslims pay the discriminatory jizya tax that is extracted from non-Muslim citizens in Muslim countries." from "Goodbye Europe, Hello Eurabia" http://www.aina.org/news/20060328120230.htm There's an article in the Israel Forum entitled: Egypt's Cairo: Coptic Christians Living in Filth. [Here is a Google search in that this particular link is now dead 8/30/08.] "No greater example of Islamic subjugation of non-Muslims can be shown. Coptic Christians living in Cairo are forced to live in unspeakable filth, with rats nibbling on the ears of their children." Seeing what conditions Muslims apparently think is fine for unbelievers to live in within their midst may explain why they see no problem with how the Spaniards are now living supposedly due to their migration there - as the Rodrigez email was complaining about.
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